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	<title>Comments for The Think Sideways Writer Crash Tests</title>
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	<description>An Introduction To Holly Lisle's Novel-Writing Course</description>
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		<title>Comment on Holly Lisle and The Case of the Exploding Cat by Superhero Nation: how to write superhero novels and comic books &#187; Your story doesn&#8217;t have to be realistic or plausible, just believable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Superhero Nation: how to write superhero novels and comic books &#187; Your story doesn&#8217;t have to be realistic or plausible, just believable</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] If we accept the premise of your story, whether that&#8217;s heroes getting superpowers from unlikely insect bites or gaining magical powers, does the rest of the story make sense?  For example, you could get readers to buy into a guy getting magical powers and using them to fight a magical mob.  But if the story is mostly realistic, like a cop infiltrating the mob, it&#8217;ll really disorient readers if a mobster starts using magic on page 200.  If you&#8217;re planning on using unrealistic elements, introduce or foreshadow them early so that readers won&#8217;t be surprised when they show up.  (For more on this, please see Holly Lisle and the Case of the Exploding Cat). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If we accept the premise of your story, whether that&#8217;s heroes getting superpowers from unlikely insect bites or gaining magical powers, does the rest of the story make sense?  For example, you could get readers to buy into a guy getting magical powers and using them to fight a magical mob.  But if the story is mostly realistic, like a cop infiltrating the mob, it&#8217;ll really disorient readers if a mobster starts using magic on page 200.  If you&#8217;re planning on using unrealistic elements, introduce or foreshadow them early so that readers won&#8217;t be surprised when they show up.  (For more on this, please see Holly Lisle and the Case of the Exploding Cat). [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Holly Lisle and the Case of the Ghostly Girls by Sandra Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 23:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!  These are amazing and so much help.  I can&#039;t tell you how glad I am to have found such a talented and approachable teacher like you.  Simple, straight out instruction and criticism that gets right to the point of the matter without loads techno-babble that just goes in one ear and out the other.

Thank you so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!  These are amazing and so much help.  I can&#8217;t tell you how glad I am to have found such a talented and approachable teacher like you.  Simple, straight out instruction and criticism that gets right to the point of the matter without loads techno-babble that just goes in one ear and out the other.</p>
<p>Thank you so much.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Holly Lisle and the Case of the Ghostly Girls by irrevenoid</title>
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		<dc:creator>irrevenoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 00:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to be a key premise that our main character can&#039;t distinguish ghosts from normal people, and this is an ongoing problem for her.

Wouldn&#039;t it undermine that premise if you used physical foreshadowing (like temperature changes) that the character really should have noticed?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to be a key premise that our main character can&#8217;t distinguish ghosts from normal people, and this is an ongoing problem for her.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it undermine that premise if you used physical foreshadowing (like temperature changes) that the character really should have noticed?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is a frame story? by Holly Lisle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly Lisle</dc:creator>
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		<description>Yeah, that pretty well sums it up. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that pretty well sums it up. <img src='http://howtothinksideways.com/crashtests/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on What is a frame story? by Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although it is off-target for novel writing, as far as writing in general goes: Holly, what do you think of the framing story as a device for binding short stories into a novel-like whole? I can think of (modern) examples which in my opinion worked (City, by Clifford Simak) and also some that didn&#039;t work so well (Niven&#039;s Crashlander). To the extent that you&#039;d work with short story writers (I know your target is The Novel), would you recommend a frame for this purpose, and if not, what would you use in its place?

I like GOOD framed stories. Clearly, a lot of writers and would-be writers like the idea of framing a story; I base that on the resistance I&#039;ve read to your statement that it&#039;s a fundamentally bad technique, and the fact that it&#039;s a hot enough topic to get two threads (the crash test and this one).

Could it be that we love the idea of the framing story so much BECAUSE it&#039;s generally a bad idea, and it only works well enough to get into print (and to be remembered as a good read) when the author was, as you say, brilliant enough to make it work anyway? So that as readers, we remember the times it&#039;s been made to work despite its inherent flaws, and we mistakenly think the story was great because of the frame -- when actually, it was a great story DESPITE the device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although it is off-target for novel writing, as far as writing in general goes: Holly, what do you think of the framing story as a device for binding short stories into a novel-like whole? I can think of (modern) examples which in my opinion worked (City, by Clifford Simak) and also some that didn&#8217;t work so well (Niven&#8217;s Crashlander). To the extent that you&#8217;d work with short story writers (I know your target is The Novel), would you recommend a frame for this purpose, and if not, what would you use in its place?</p>
<p>I like GOOD framed stories. Clearly, a lot of writers and would-be writers like the idea of framing a story; I base that on the resistance I&#8217;ve read to your statement that it&#8217;s a fundamentally bad technique, and the fact that it&#8217;s a hot enough topic to get two threads (the crash test and this one).</p>
<p>Could it be that we love the idea of the framing story so much BECAUSE it&#8217;s generally a bad idea, and it only works well enough to get into print (and to be remembered as a good read) when the author was, as you say, brilliant enough to make it work anyway? So that as readers, we remember the times it&#8217;s been made to work despite its inherent flaws, and we mistakenly think the story was great because of the frame &#8212; when actually, it was a great story DESPITE the device.</p>
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