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	<title>Comments on: Holly Lisle and the Case of the Undead Patrician</title>
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	<description>An Introduction To Holly Lisle's Novel-Writing Course</description>
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		<title>By: Kali</title>
		<link>http://howtothinksideways.com/crashtests/writing-videos/holly-lisle-and-the-case-of-the-undead-patrician=/comment-page-1/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>Kali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow you give some great (and splendidly simple) tips Ms Lisle!

If I could just present an alternative viewpoint on one statement that kinda made me uncomfortable from this crit I think it would be worth a little debate. 

To say that readers dont want to be reminded they are reading a story is a little bit of a strong statement, in actual fact i love that kind of story, if its done well it has you thinking about the whole nature of storytelling and why this is such an important part of human communication. For examples of doing it beautifully, look at Neil Gaiman&#039;s work, particularly in sections of the Sandman. Gorgeous.

Also the kind of audience who would probably enjoy a story like this would most likely be into the mythology or history of ancient cultures, and the balance between those two, how they mix together to become indistinguishable in some cases (like the Illiad). It makes for an interesting theme to explore, thats all I want to say. 

I dont think you&#039;re wrong, just that we could miss out on some really good &#039;nature-of-stories-and-storytelling&#039; books if everyone followed that piece of advice too far!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow you give some great (and splendidly simple) tips Ms Lisle!</p>
<p>If I could just present an alternative viewpoint on one statement that kinda made me uncomfortable from this crit I think it would be worth a little debate. </p>
<p>To say that readers dont want to be reminded they are reading a story is a little bit of a strong statement, in actual fact i love that kind of story, if its done well it has you thinking about the whole nature of storytelling and why this is such an important part of human communication. For examples of doing it beautifully, look at Neil Gaiman&#8217;s work, particularly in sections of the Sandman. Gorgeous.</p>
<p>Also the kind of audience who would probably enjoy a story like this would most likely be into the mythology or history of ancient cultures, and the balance between those two, how they mix together to become indistinguishable in some cases (like the Illiad). It makes for an interesting theme to explore, thats all I want to say. </p>
<p>I dont think you&#8217;re wrong, just that we could miss out on some really good &#8216;nature-of-stories-and-storytelling&#8217; books if everyone followed that piece of advice too far!</p>
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		<title>By: Writer Crash Test #2: The Undead Patrician &#124; Hypatia's Hoard of Reviews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writer Crash Test #2: The Undead Patrician &#124; Hypatia's Hoard of Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Shop at Holly Lisle&#039;s Site             Jun 09   Writer Crash Test #2: The Undead Patrician Filed Under (Writer Resources) by ysabet on 09-06-2009&#160;and tagged editing, Holly Lisle, how to, writing     Here is the second in Holly Lisle&#8217;s series of critique videos, Writer Crash Test.  A good critique is one of the most useful things a writer can have.  By watching these videos, you can learn from other people&#8217;s mistakes and improve your own writing.  Holly also teaches the How to Think Sideways  course (see the ad in the lower left sidebar) on planning and writing novels. Holly Lisle and the Case of the Undead Patrician [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Shop at Holly Lisle&#8217;s Site             Jun 09   Writer Crash Test #2: The Undead Patrician Filed Under (Writer Resources) by ysabet on 09-06-2009&nbsp;and tagged editing, Holly Lisle, how to, writing     Here is the second in Holly Lisle&#8217;s series of critique videos, Writer Crash Test.  A good critique is one of the most useful things a writer can have.  By watching these videos, you can learn from other people&#8217;s mistakes and improve your own writing.  Holly also teaches the How to Think Sideways  course (see the ad in the lower left sidebar) on planning and writing novels. Holly Lisle and the Case of the Undead Patrician [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 11:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve enjoyed all of your writer crash tests so far. You are always one step ahead of me (I&#039;m talking about your HTTS course), which is a great help! One thing I did not get from this podcast is just exactly how you define a frame. You&#039;ve dismissed it without defining it. 

Holly, please tell me what you mean by frame? 

Many thanks from one of your devoted legions of students.

Deb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve enjoyed all of your writer crash tests so far. You are always one step ahead of me (I&#8217;m talking about your HTTS course), which is a great help! One thing I did not get from this podcast is just exactly how you define a frame. You&#8217;ve dismissed it without defining it. </p>
<p>Holly, please tell me what you mean by frame? </p>
<p>Many thanks from one of your devoted legions of students.</p>
<p>Deb</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 00:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m doing a teaching course right now and can confidently say you&#039;ve got it nailed re crits. So apples for the teacher all round!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m doing a teaching course right now and can confidently say you&#8217;ve got it nailed re crits. So apples for the teacher all round!</p>
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		<title>By: megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 07:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aghgh. I wanna see it. What dowa the little rectangle with the red sqaure, green circle and blue triangle mean? Other than I cannot get the video?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aghgh. I wanna see it. What dowa the little rectangle with the red sqaure, green circle and blue triangle mean? Other than I cannot get the video?</p>
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